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Grignard and RLi: basicity vs nucleophilicity
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What would be the product from nucleophilic attack on a alcohol? Are there any difference in electrophilic nature in amides vs ketones/aldehydes?
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1) the product I think it could be a Sn1/2....where the OH- leaves ...but is a poor leaving group -OH...it need an acid catalysis
2) amides vs ketones /aldehydes electrophilicity
The C=O of amides is less electrophilic because the -NH2 can donate its lone pair to CO..so the carbon is a bit less electrophilic
But for the H-α acidity of ketones/aldehydes vs amides? Why RLi attack the -NH2 of amide(acid base reaction) pka=25 and NOT the H , in α to C=O..pka= 20/25?!
What would be the product from nucleophilic attack on a alcohol? Are there any difference in electrophilic nature in amides vs ketones/aldehydes?
Hi..
1) the product I think it could be a Sn1/2....where the OH- leaves ...but is a poor leaving group -OH...it need an acid catalysis
2) amides vs ketones /aldehydes electrophilicity
The C=O of amides is less electrophilic because the -NH2 can donate its lone pair to CO..so the carbon is a bit less electrophilic
But for the H-α acidity of ketones/aldehydes vs amides? Why RLi attack the -NH2 of amide(acid base reaction) pka=25 and NOT the H , in α to C=O..pka= 20/25?!
Alcohols can not alkylate RLi or RMgX, you need a muck better leavinggroup and even with say R-Halogen, prefferable I, the reaction is very sluggish. If you have activated halides like Allyliodide the reaction can be fast. The fact is that RLi and RMgX are poor Sn2-nucleophiles but attacks carbonyls very fast, but amides are much less electrophilic then aldehydes or ketones. Even though alpha-protons on aldehydes and ketones are acidic attack on the carbonyl is much faster then acid-base reaction.
Alcohols can not alkylate RLi or RMgX, you need a muck better leavinggroup and even with say R-Halogen, prefferable I, the reaction is very sluggish. If you have activated halides like Allyliodide the reaction can be fast. The fact is that RLi and RMgX are poor Sn2-nucleophiles but attacks carbonyls very fast, but amides are much less electrophilic then aldehydes or ketones. Even though alpha-protons on aldehydes and ketones are acidic attack on the carbonyl is much faster then acid-base reaction.
Hi..
1) the product I think it could be a Sn1/2....where the OH- leaves ...but is a poor leaving group -OH...it need an acid catalysis
2) amides vs ketones /aldehydes electrophilicity
The C=O of amides is less electrophilic because the -NH2 can donate its lone pair to CO..so the carbon is a bit less electrophilic
But for the H-α acidity of ketones/aldehydes vs amides?
Why RLi attack the -NH2 of amide(acid base reaction) pka=25 and NOT the H , in α to C=O..pka= 20/25?!
Thanks
Hi..
1) the product I think it could be a Sn1/2....where the OH- leaves ...but is a poor leaving group -OH...it need an acid catalysis
2) amides vs ketones /aldehydes electrophilicity
The C=O of amides is less electrophilic because the -NH2 can donate its lone pair to CO..so the carbon is a bit less electrophilic
But for the H-α acidity of ketones/aldehydes vs amides?
Why RLi attack the -NH2 of amide(acid base reaction) pka=25 and NOT the H , in α to C=O..pka= 20/25?!
Thanks
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The fact is that RLi and RMgX are poor Sn2-nucleophiles but attacks carbonyls very fast, but amides are much less electrophilic then aldehydes or ketones. Even though alpha-protons on aldehydes and ketones are acidic attack on the carbonyl is much faster then acid-base reaction.
The fact is that RLi and RMgX are poor Sn2-nucleophiles but attacks carbonyls very fast, but amides are much less electrophilic then aldehydes or ketones. Even though alpha-protons on aldehydes and ketones are acidic attack on the carbonyl is much faster then acid-base reaction.
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Are there any difference in electrophilic nature in amides vs ketones/aldehydes?
Are there any difference in electrophilic nature in amides vs ketones/aldehydes?
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